[Dòmhnall Moireasdan] Dè bha Norma òg a' cur roimhpe ma-thà a dhèanamh?
[Norma NicLeòid] Uill, cha robh Norma òg a' cur mòran roimhpe idir. Bha e dìreach cho math a bhith beò agus saoghal beag bòidheach, neo-chiontach, taitneach agus cha robh mi a' cur mòran romham fhìn ann ach mi fhìn 's Dòmhnall Iain, mo bhràthair, a bhith a’ cluich timcheall Loch Croistean ann an siud 's a' dol a-null a Bheàrnaraigh ann an saor-làithean gu àite iongantach eile.
[Dòmhnall Moireasdan] Dèidheil air an sgoil?
[Norma NicLeòid] Bha, bha ann an dòigh. Bha, bha mi a' dèanamh math gu leòr anns an sgoil 's bhithinn ag ràdh nuair a bha mi na b' òige gum bu chaomh leam a bhith nam thidsear, bhon tha mi a' creidsinn gur e sin an saoghal anns an deach mo thogail, eil fhios agad, ann an sgoiltean 's tha mi a' creidsinn gun robh e na b' fhasa a ràdh na smaoineachadh air.
[Dòmhnall Moireasdan] Agus chaidh sibh dhan oilthigh, Obar Dheathain, nach ann?
[Norma NicLeòid] 'S ann.
[Dòmhnall Moireasdan] Dè bha sibh an dùil a dhèanamh nuair a dh'fhàg sibh an oilthigh? Rinn sibh saic-eòlais is diofar cuspairean, nach do rinn?
[Norma NicLeòid] Rinn.
[Dòmhnall Moireasdan] Anns an oilthigh. Agus an uair sin, chaidh sibh an sàs ann an trèanadh tidseir.
[Norma NicLeòid] Chaidh. Chaidh mi an sàs ann an trèanadh tidseir nuair a dh'fhàg mi an sgoil an toiseach.
[Dòmhnall Moireasdan] Ò, an deach?
[Norma NicLeòid] Sin nuair a chaidh mi an sàs ann.
[Dòmhnall Moireasdan] À.
[Norma NicLeòid] Agus leig mi seachad e. Cha do chòrd e rium. Dh'atharraich mi bhon cholaiste dhan oilthigh.
[Dòmhnall Moireasdan] Carson a-nise an dèidh a bhith a' bruidhinn air nuair a bha sibh beag nach do chòrd e ribh?
[Norma NicLeòid] Uill, tha mi a' smaoineachadh nuair a bha mi beag gun robh mi dìreach a' bruidhinn air. 'S iomadh rud air am bruidhinn thu nuair tha thu beag nach eil càil a sgot air dè tha e a' ciallachadh. Agus nì thu an aon rud nuair a tha thu nad inbheach cuideachd ach ... Tha mi a' smaoineachadh gur e aon sgoil fhàgail agus tòiseachadh feuchainn ri dreachd a thoirt a-mach a' dol air ais dhan sgoil. Dh'fhairich mi nach freagradh e orm is gur dòcha nach bithinn glè mhath ann.
[Dòmhnall Moireasdan] Is thug sibh ur casan leibh a-machà sin.
[Norma NicLeòid] Thug. Thug mi ann am bliadhna.
[Dòmhnall Moireasdan] An uair sin dhan oilthigh?
[Norma NicLeòid] An uair sin dhan oilthigh.
[Dòmhnall Moireasdan] Nas tarraingiche?
[Norma NicLeòid] Ò gu math na bu tarraingiche. Cuspairean mòra, ùra, eil fhios agad, a’ dol a-steach ann an doimhneachd ann am Beurla is litreachais is Gàidhlig agus saic-eòlais, socio-eòlais is rudan den seòrsa sin. Saoghal mòr farsaing.
[Dòmhnall Moireasdan] ’S an e saic-eòlais a tha sin ’s an socio-eòlais, an e sin a thug gu obair shòisealta sibh?
[Norma NicLeòid] ’S e. ’S e sin a tha mi a’ smaoineachadh gur e sin a thug gu obair shòisealta mi. Bha cùrsa ann an uair sin às dèidh mo cheumnachaidh agus gu fortanach fhuair mi air. Agus rinn mi dà bhliadhna ann an sin aig àrd ìre a’ toirt a-mach dreuchd ann an sòisealachd, ann an sòisealachd inntinneil, psychiatric social work.
[Dòmhnall Moireasdan] An i sin an obair a bh’ agaibh nuair a chrìochnaich sibh?
[Norma NicLeòid] Sin an obair a bh’ agam nuair a chrìochnaich mi airson greiseag ’s bha tòrr ann, rinn mi tòrr dheth. Cuideachd nuair a bha mi a’ trèanadh ann an ospadal mòr, na h-ospadalan mòra, mòra a bh’ ann an uair sin agus taing do shealbh chan eil iad ann an-diugh.
Chaidh am prògram seo, Thuige Seo, a chraoladh an toiseach ann an 2010.
[Donald Morrison] What did young Norma set herself to do then?
[Norma MacLeod] Well, young Norma did not set herself much at all. It was just so good to be alive in a lovely, innocent, delightful world and I did not put much before myself at all but myself and Donald John, my brother, playing around Loch Croistean there and going over to Bernanray on holidays to another wonderful place.
[Donald Morrison] Keen on school?
[Norma MacLeod] I was, I was in a way. I was, I did well enough in school and I would say when I was younger that I would like to be a teacher, as I believe that that is the world in which I was brought up, you know, in schools and I believe that it was easier to say than to think about it.
[Donald Morrison] And you went to university, Aberdeen, wasn't it?
[Norma MacLeod] It was.
[Donald Morrison] What did you expect to do when you left university? You did psychology and different subjects, didn't you?
[Norma MacLeod] I did.
[Donald Morrison] In university. And then, you went into teacher training.
[Norma MacLeod] I did. I went into teacher training when I left school at first.
[Donald Morrison] Oh, did you?
[Norma MacLeod] That is when I went into it.
[Donald Morrison] Ah.
[Norma MacLeod] And I gave it up. I did not enjoy it. I changed from the college to university.
[Donald Morrison] Why now after talking about it when you were wee did you not enjoy it?
[Norma MacLeod] Well, I think that when I was wee I was just talking about it. You talk about many things when you are wee and you do not have a clue what it means. And you do the same thing when you are an adult too. I think that leaving one school and trying to start a career going back to school. I felt that it was not suitable for me and that maybe I would not be very good there.
[Donald Morrison] And you took off out of there.
[Norma MacLeod] I did. I did in a year.
[Donald Morrison] And then to university?
[Norma MacLeod] And then to university.
[Donald Morrison] More appealing?
[Norma MacLeod] Oh, far more appealing. Big, new subjects, you know, going into depth in English and literature and Gaelic and psychology, sociology and things like that. A big wide world.
[Donald Morrison] And is it that psychology and the sociology, is that what took you to social work?
[Norma MacLeod] It is. That is what I think brought me to social work. There was a course at that time after I graduated and fortunately I got on it. And I did two years there at a high level gaining a career in social work, in psychiatric social work.
[Donald Morrison] Is that the job you had when you finished?
[Norma MacLeod] That's the job that I had when I finished for a while and there was a lot involved, I did a lot of it. Also when I was training in a big hospital, the big, big hospitals they had then and thank goodness we don't have them today.
This programme, Thuige Seo, was first broadcast in 2010.
[Dòmhnall Moireasdan] Dè bha Norma òg a' cur roimhpe ma-thà a dhèanamh?
[Norma NicLeòid] Uill, cha robh Norma òg a' cur mòran roimhpe idir. Bha e dìreach cho math a bhith beò agus saoghal beag bòidheach, neo-chiontach, taitneach agus cha robh mi a' cur mòran romham fhìn ann ach mi fhìn 's Dòmhnall Iain, mo bhràthair, a bhith a’ cluich timcheall Loch Croistean ann an siud 's a' dol a-null a Bheàrnaraigh ann an saor-làithean gu àite iongantach eile.
[Dòmhnall Moireasdan] Dèidheil air an sgoil?
[Norma NicLeòid] Bha, bha ann an dòigh. Bha, bha mi a' dèanamh math gu leòr anns an sgoil 's bhithinn ag ràdh nuair a bha mi na b' òige gum bu chaomh leam a bhith nam thidsear, bhon tha mi a' creidsinn gur e sin an saoghal anns an deach mo thogail, eil fhios agad, ann an sgoiltean 's tha mi a' creidsinn gun robh e na b' fhasa a ràdh na smaoineachadh air.
[Dòmhnall Moireasdan] Agus chaidh sibh dhan oilthigh, Obar Dheathain, nach ann?
[Norma NicLeòid] 'S ann.
[Dòmhnall Moireasdan] Dè bha sibh an dùil a dhèanamh nuair a dh'fhàg sibh an oilthigh? Rinn sibh saic-eòlais is diofar cuspairean, nach do rinn?
[Norma NicLeòid] Rinn.
[Dòmhnall Moireasdan] Anns an oilthigh. Agus an uair sin, chaidh sibh an sàs ann an trèanadh tidseir.
[Norma NicLeòid] Chaidh. Chaidh mi an sàs ann an trèanadh tidseir nuair a dh'fhàg mi an sgoil an toiseach.
[Dòmhnall Moireasdan] Ò, an deach?
[Norma NicLeòid] Sin nuair a chaidh mi an sàs ann.
[Dòmhnall Moireasdan] À.
[Norma NicLeòid] Agus leig mi seachad e. Cha do chòrd e rium. Dh'atharraich mi bhon cholaiste dhan oilthigh.
[Dòmhnall Moireasdan] Carson a-nise an dèidh a bhith a' bruidhinn air nuair a bha sibh beag nach do chòrd e ribh?
[Norma NicLeòid] Uill, tha mi a' smaoineachadh nuair a bha mi beag gun robh mi dìreach a' bruidhinn air. 'S iomadh rud air am bruidhinn thu nuair tha thu beag nach eil càil a sgot air dè tha e a' ciallachadh. Agus nì thu an aon rud nuair a tha thu nad inbheach cuideachd ach ... Tha mi a' smaoineachadh gur e aon sgoil fhàgail agus tòiseachadh feuchainn ri dreachd a thoirt a-mach a' dol air ais dhan sgoil. Dh'fhairich mi nach freagradh e orm is gur dòcha nach bithinn glè mhath ann.
[Dòmhnall Moireasdan] Is thug sibh ur casan leibh a-machà sin.
[Norma NicLeòid] Thug. Thug mi ann am bliadhna.
[Dòmhnall Moireasdan] An uair sin dhan oilthigh?
[Norma NicLeòid] An uair sin dhan oilthigh.
[Dòmhnall Moireasdan] Nas tarraingiche?
[Norma NicLeòid] Ò gu math na bu tarraingiche. Cuspairean mòra, ùra, eil fhios agad, a’ dol a-steach ann an doimhneachd ann am Beurla is litreachais is Gàidhlig agus saic-eòlais, socio-eòlais is rudan den seòrsa sin. Saoghal mòr farsaing.
[Dòmhnall Moireasdan] ’S an e saic-eòlais a tha sin ’s an socio-eòlais, an e sin a thug gu obair shòisealta sibh?
[Norma NicLeòid] ’S e. ’S e sin a tha mi a’ smaoineachadh gur e sin a thug gu obair shòisealta mi. Bha cùrsa ann an uair sin às dèidh mo cheumnachaidh agus gu fortanach fhuair mi air. Agus rinn mi dà bhliadhna ann an sin aig àrd ìre a’ toirt a-mach dreuchd ann an sòisealachd, ann an sòisealachd inntinneil, psychiatric social work.
[Dòmhnall Moireasdan] An i sin an obair a bh’ agaibh nuair a chrìochnaich sibh?
[Norma NicLeòid] Sin an obair a bh’ agam nuair a chrìochnaich mi airson greiseag ’s bha tòrr ann, rinn mi tòrr dheth. Cuideachd nuair a bha mi a’ trèanadh ann an ospadal mòr, na h-ospadalan mòra, mòra a bh’ ann an uair sin agus taing do shealbh chan eil iad ann an-diugh.
Chaidh am prògram seo, Thuige Seo, a chraoladh an toiseach ann an 2010.
[Donald Morrison] What did young Norma set herself to do then?
[Norma MacLeod] Well, young Norma did not set herself much at all. It was just so good to be alive in a lovely, innocent, delightful world and I did not put much before myself at all but myself and Donald John, my brother, playing around Loch Croistean there and going over to Bernanray on holidays to another wonderful place.
[Donald Morrison] Keen on school?
[Norma MacLeod] I was, I was in a way. I was, I did well enough in school and I would say when I was younger that I would like to be a teacher, as I believe that that is the world in which I was brought up, you know, in schools and I believe that it was easier to say than to think about it.
[Donald Morrison] And you went to university, Aberdeen, wasn't it?
[Norma MacLeod] It was.
[Donald Morrison] What did you expect to do when you left university? You did psychology and different subjects, didn't you?
[Norma MacLeod] I did.
[Donald Morrison] In university. And then, you went into teacher training.
[Norma MacLeod] I did. I went into teacher training when I left school at first.
[Donald Morrison] Oh, did you?
[Norma MacLeod] That is when I went into it.
[Donald Morrison] Ah.
[Norma MacLeod] And I gave it up. I did not enjoy it. I changed from the college to university.
[Donald Morrison] Why now after talking about it when you were wee did you not enjoy it?
[Norma MacLeod] Well, I think that when I was wee I was just talking about it. You talk about many things when you are wee and you do not have a clue what it means. And you do the same thing when you are an adult too. I think that leaving one school and trying to start a career going back to school. I felt that it was not suitable for me and that maybe I would not be very good there.
[Donald Morrison] And you took off out of there.
[Norma MacLeod] I did. I did in a year.
[Donald Morrison] And then to university?
[Norma MacLeod] And then to university.
[Donald Morrison] More appealing?
[Norma MacLeod] Oh, far more appealing. Big, new subjects, you know, going into depth in English and literature and Gaelic and psychology, sociology and things like that. A big wide world.
[Donald Morrison] And is it that psychology and the sociology, is that what took you to social work?
[Norma MacLeod] It is. That is what I think brought me to social work. There was a course at that time after I graduated and fortunately I got on it. And I did two years there at a high level gaining a career in social work, in psychiatric social work.
[Donald Morrison] Is that the job you had when you finished?
[Norma MacLeod] That's the job that I had when I finished for a while and there was a lot involved, I did a lot of it. Also when I was training in a big hospital, the big, big hospitals they had then and thank goodness we don't have them today.
This programme, Thuige Seo, was first broadcast in 2010.